MOTU 828 vs. DIGI 001 Options

I am looking to get a new system for audio recording. I am leaining towards the Motu 828, but I know the DIGI 001 is a hot seller. Will I sacrifice quaility by going with the Motu 828. Are the Preamps as good? And sound quality?

Mainly, we want to use it to create our first CD. So we'll be recording vocals, instruments etc. Will one lend itself to this application better than the other? What about quality? What about OS X support?

What about for a newbie to learn, is the documenation on the MOTU 828 good enough that anyone could learn it easily, even a newbie, or do I need a book? Do they have books?

I will also use it to sweeten some video work from Final Cut Pro. I here the Motu Digital Performer is great for this, especially since I could mix Surround sound with it. Any thoughts here.

I basically like the MOTU better, but don't want to get something that will lessen the quality of the CD.

[bitterfly]

Hi.
I am also considering these two systems and was basically leaning towards MOTU as well. That's why i was really surprised when I went to the  2 major music stores in Manhattan: Sam Ash and Manny's and asked the guys at the recording section what they would recommend. Both said that in their opinion the choice was obvious - Digi 001. People in both stores didn't even have a trace of a doubt.
So now this dilemma becomes even more difficult....

I have done a lot more research. From what I have gathered, most people who use ProTools and Like it swear by ProTools, and for this reason recommend the Digi001. They say, you can use it in any studio around, cause most have ProTools.

However, most of them to whome I explain my needs then agree teh Motu 828 and Digital Performer would be best. I do video and DVD work, so for mixing the Digital Performer is better for me. It allows SMPT time code, as well as 5.1 surround mixing. And I have yet to meet a person who didn't like the Digital Performer software. As well, for what sound recording we do, the portablility of the 828 is a much better solution for us.

As far as from those people who don't use ProTools, or aren't recomending one cause they like Protools. Most of these people have said either one, both will work well, and give you the same sound quality. And a lot of people who have used both have even gone as far to say that the Motu is a much better package. With better PreAmps, and they would go with that package. No one had anything bad to say about the Motu.

In all, most people I have talked to that have used it are very upbeat. Also, it deals better with latency, due to it's new technology. So I am pretty much sold on it.

And some people have bought the Digi001, and used the Digital Performer software with it. Then they can use ProTools or Digital Performer. This seems to be the biggest thing. People who recommend the Digi, do so because you can use protools. Protools only works with Protools Hardware, however, other software will work with Protools hardware. So, that's the gotcha, if you have to have Protools, then you need the 001, if you are OK with Digital Performer or with out Protools, then the Motu 828 sounds to be an equal if not superior product that will work great.

I hope I didn't ramble too much and that this helps,

Greg

[bitterfly]

Hi.
Thanks a lot for your post. I was also doing some more research and the results that i came up with are exactly similar to yours - people like ProTools and recomend DIgi 001, as well as people who like DP use it with Digi 001. The only big limitations that I heard about the ProTools package is that you're limited to 24 tracks. And if you use MOTU hardware you don't have much choice but to use their software.
So i guess i really have to choose now:)
Thanks again and good luck!

I am also looking into this. Heres my posts from another forum.


Does the 828 suck? It seems like alot of people would want to get there hands on it! I need some honest reviews here.


I am very new to the audio recording and editing world but Im jumping into it with both feet and if Im going to do it I wanna do it right. The specs on the Powerbook G4 Im getting are 500mhz, 256 ram, 20 gig HD and DVD drive and a Motu 828 for the ovious reasons. This is a hard to heavy rock band with some acoustic songs as well. The band consists of 1 vocal, 1 electric guitar, 1 bass guitar, 1 keyboard for some intros and sound fx and stuff which the bass guy plays, and 1 drummer with with a standard setup with 2 bass drums and 3 electronic drums going into a mixing board and then to a Roland vs 840 ( I think, which I would like to maybe integrate into the G4/Motu setup [ it has a spdif and optical outs] ) which they are using right now to record and practice with in a small recording studio they are renting. Will this set up be good enough for making an album that doesnt sound like a demo? I plan on learning the ropes from these guys and maybe turning it into a small business or record label ( who knows ). I want to use a laptop for several reasons. 1 I need portability. I will be traveling from Los Angeles to Las Vegas to do recordings with my friends band. 2 I already have a desktop pc. 3 Take it to record other bands (make money to pay for this monster). 4 For fun like watching movies on it. And so on...... Am I wasting my time and money trying to do this or am I going to make an impact worth while? Man, I have so many more questions I need help on but Im to tired to think of them. I just hope theres someone out there that can help. Should I use adiodesk(which comes with the motu), protools, or vegas audio?



Well I just met a guy at a Carvin guitar shop that uses the Motu 828 and hes gonna let me see it in action this sunday when he records some vocals in his studio. He says its good but I wanna see what he uses, what it sounds like, how he uses it, anything and everything....He says hes recorded 60 tracks at once with the Motu and some light pipe device at 24 bit and 96hz.



I have read on the web somewhere that if you have a firewire external hard drive and the Motu 828 running at the same time it can cause latency and other problems because the two devices are then sharing the same pathway via the firewire. Thats why the Motu uses the firewire. It needs to be able to use all that bandwith when it wants to. The recording of audio has to be seemless and real time or else its gonna sound like junk. The same reason you wouldnt want to be running other programs while recording. Well thats my theory anyway. I am not a profesional. Im a very new newbie. Heck, I havnt even bought my system yet. Im waiting to see how that guys Motu performs this sunday and hoping the price of the Powerbook G4 Titanium goes down below $3,000(well the model I want at least). Nowing my luck the price will drop the day after I buy it.


OTHERS POSTS


if you monitor your inputs through your software, thats where you run into latency (delay from sound to hearing it in your headphones)
i was in a session yesterday for a major label artist(christian label) and when i walked in his setup consisted of:
1 - mac g4 titanium
2 - moto 828
3 - firewire club mac external HD
running logic audio.

they decided to track at the studio we were at for the mic selection.
i was playing acoustic and could hear a slight latency on my guitar but not anything that would mess any one up. i was totally impressed. the producer/engineer had to leave for a bit and just unplugged the firewire and power cables and was gone. came back, plugged the two cables back in and powered up and was ready to go in about 5 mins. amazing! and w/ the external drive, there was never a single dropout or hiccup. again, i was blown away!



Alot of people dont like it because you can only monitor 2 channels on input. Its a flaw in the hardware design which has been confirmed by the tech people at MOTU.





Well I hope this helps someone.

In answer to your questions does the 828 suck. By no means no. I have a friend who uses one. He loves it and said the sound is great. Everyone I have talked to said the sound quality is equal if not better. And that the PreAmps are actually a little better. The 828 also has better monitoring to defeat latency, a nice plus. Also, all the connectors on the 828 are balanced, I don't think this is so with the Digi001.

Those who like the Digi 001 don't like it as much for the hardware, as the software they are married to ProTools. Those who aren't in the need of ProTools love the 828. As I will use it for Video work. The 828 is a much better option for me. It is very high quality, and offers what I need. And the Digital Performer software is no laky. Here's a quote from a Motu Sales rep.

'The 828 interface was on the cover of Recording magazine last month. You
might want to check that out.
Digital Performer was used to score Planet of The Apes, American Pie II, and
the Oscar nominated U-571 movies. It's a standard tool for sound for
picture. DP 3 also imports and exports OMF files for Avid and ProTools
compatibility.

The 828 interface is a Firewire unit. The 001 is PCI based. MOTU also
makes a PCI based audio system. I've enclosed a comparison of the 001 and
our 2408 audio interface. The 828 and 2408 have the same audio
specifications on their analog converters. The 828 also has two channels of
mic preamps.

I look forward to answering all your technical questions.

If I can be of further service, please let me know.

David Roberts - MOTU

MOTU Audio 2408mkII
-------------------
True 24-bit convertors provide an impressive 105dB dynamic range

Analog inputs and outputs use balanced/unbalanced connectors

PCI-324 card is 96kHz ready

Word clock I/O provided for synchronizing your 2408 with other gear in your
studio - master or slave

AudioDesk allows you to edit and spot to timecode

Track count depends host CPU - up to 72 tracks on a Power Macintosh G3

Extensive front panel metering for all analog and digital I/O including
clock

Broad 3rd party plug-in support from Antares, Arboretum, Audio Ease, Kind of
Loud, Metric Halo, Cycling O74, DUY, TC|Works, Waves and others

Sturdy steel rack mount chassis

24-channels of adat optical where you need them - on the rack, where your
adats are

24-channels of Tascam TDIF

Expandable to 72 channels of input and output - choose from a variety of I/O
expansion options to meet your specific requirements

24 inputs and outputs available at the same time using a single 2408

ADAT 9-pin sync on PCI-324 card

Sample accurate transfer with ADAT and sample accurate transfer with Tascam
via Digital Timepiece


Digi 001
--------
98dB typical dynamic range using their O24-bit¹ converters

Outputs on 001 are unbalanced and prone to hum and RF interference

No provisions for 96kHz upgrade

No word clock available

ProTools LE has no support for editing or spotting to timecode.

ProTools LE limits you to 24 tracks

No metering on the I/O box - not even a signal present or overload LED.

Minimal RTAS audio plug-in support

Rack mount ears bolted to desktop box

Only 8-channels of adat optical - with the optical connector on the PCI card

No Tascam TDIF support

Not expandable - no additional I/O options

A maximum of 18 inputs and outputs at the same time

No ADAT 9-pin sync

No sample accurate transfer ability

Also, check out the forums hear at http://www.musicplayer.com/cgi-bin/Ultimate.cgi

Most everyone that has tried one here was very pleased with the Motu 828.

That's what I have decided to go with as well.

Greg

[bitterfly]

Upon further research and after talking to more people I think I am going to get Motu 828 too.
Thanks for all your comments.

Now the only thing else I need to know is if the>>>>> POWERBOOK G4 TITANIUM<<<< and the Motu 828 will be able to record and do whatever else I need to do without an ultra fast external firewire hard drive. The specs on the Titanium I want to get are 500 mhz, 256 ram, 20 gig hard drive ( which I plan on making four 5 gig partitions ), and DVD drive.

[dickwolf]

Motu 828 is definitely the way to go. Out of curiousity, why'a Tibook?
Besides the fact their portable and rate high on the aesthetic lust level, why?. For the same money you could get a Quicksilver 733mhz or stripped down 867mhz. I originally was lookin' into to Tibook but when I looked at building a home studio it wasn't the way to go.

If having a good size screen (as the reality on a screen gets lost fast w/ a small monitor), upgradeability and well a computer that'll go farther in the long haul (ecspecially audio wise) aren't your needs then get the Tibook.

It's just something to consider. After the fantasy wore off and i looked at some of the limits of the 'laptop studio', I had to play it safe.

Well your probably right. I already have a desktop pc at home and my friends band that Im working with lives in Las Vegas (I live in Los Angeles). I am a rookie at all this recording stuff so I was going to work with them to gain experiance so I can turn it into a small side business for myself and record other bands live or however they want. But I guess when it comes down to it you gotta do it right the first time, so now im leaning towards the regular G4 desk top which looks pretty darn portable with a 17' flat screen. I tried lugging my desktop pc(with a regular monitor) down there a month ago just to mess aronund and record some acoustic stuff on my cheap pc mic (which sounded pretty good considering) and it was a pain!

[dickwolf]

All you need is a portable rack (SKB, makes good ones) to put your Motu 828 in and any other midi/modules. Grab your computer, mouse, keyboard and monitor:Presto! I agree having a portable unit sounds great but i think it's secondary purchase. Luxury if you will.

Plus there's a great chance we'll see a G5 laptop soon enough. That'll drop the Tibook's price. Woo Whooo!!!

I recently just Purchased a G3 600 ibook 14' display, 384mb ram, CDRW built in.
Cubase 5 VST/32
Motu 828
Motu MidiExpress XT USB
Glyph Project M ( 40gb rackmount harddrive ( firewire ) made for the 828 )

I havent had any problems yet. the sales that helped my configure said with the firewire, it was the perfect solution for my needs. alot of my friends are upgrading to the 828 from digi 001 because of the firewire. My system is racked in a rackmount carrying bag for on the go recording. I recently did a project where I was able to pipe in some adats for a total of 128 tracks. I think the preamps on the 828 are the best that I have heard. im using AKG C3000B mics. Now I could have gone to a pc platform but I have seen enough blue screens, lol

So, in conclusion...which is the better system to go with...digi001 or the MOTU 828?

[damann]

motu 828 unless you alrady own a porsche and are just about to order a new one!
001 is just a taster to get you hooked on a very expensive habit that will always get smoked by a boy racer!
dae=dick entering a-hole!
compatibility seems to be a word (like midi) that digidesign don't seem to want to play ball with!

[damann]

sorry, of course, dick entering a-hole whilst amusing, was obviously a freudian slip (d.e.a)!
so, d.a.e = digidesign always expect (you're an a-hole)!

if your last name is clapton, jackson or houston, choose digidesign 'cos money is obviously no object and you're not going to personally have to deal with anything more than signing cheques. but be warned, signing cheques becomes increasingly difficult with these guys!
828 is firewire and it smokes dodgydesign...

My first post on this forum..

I have a iMac with Cubase VST/32 and the Motu 828.

The motu is the most solid piece in the set-up. At times I think about moving over to DP3, just because I am so pleased with the 828. Actually I'm happy with Cubase as well.

Never had a single problem with the 828. I recorded my father-in -law singing latin chants and the quality is hard to believe.

I use the thing everday and it is great. I record my guitar into it, going to a J-station first. Recorded my acoustic guitar direct, etc

The pre-amps are very sweet, just use a decent mic.

I can monitor my VST instruments with no audible delays.

I am also able to put on several VST effects such as delay, compression, and reverb while hearing the effects in real time while I sing. I can then go back and take them off it i wish.
Great system..

[coolcol]

I have just added a 2nd 828 to my mobile setup and have no complaints.
I run a TiBook 400 and do a lot of live recording from FOH mixer, 16 tracks
at a time. Softwarewise I have used AudioDesk,DP3.02 and Logic 4.7.3(via ASIO), they all work But DP3 gets very slow when mixing with 12 tracks and
a handfull of plugs...it isn´t Altivec optimised,YET, so I am hoping that 3.1
will fix that. Logic is fantastic but difficult and expensive,I use it for Midi heavy projects as the virtual instrument integration is way ahead of the
competition.
MOTU828 DOESN´T SUCK
Hope this helps with the descision
Colin

im getting a MOTU 828, (too bad it doesnt have midi i/o) the latency is way better than the digi and the digi converters arent the best....
....coincidently.....soem dude from MOTU compared the 828 and the digi and the 2408...
...funny how he mentioned that the digi has no word clock....neither does the 828!!!!!
..but then said that 828 is firewire, and digi is pci......
so is the 2408!!!!!
...you cant use the best features of one unit and the best of the other and compare them both to the digi!
.....please, use the same variables.
.......
besides that.
go with the motu.......but dont ever listen to salesmen!!!!!!!!
.......
heX

[formatj]

Have a look at the RME Multiface (Hammerfall DSP system).

http://www.rme-audio.com/english/index.htm

It has MIDI i/o, the converters are better than both the MOTU 828 and the Digi 001, it has wordclock and the lowest latency out of the three (down to 1.5 milliseconds).

It also supports 96 kHz which neither the 828 or Digi 001 do.

It connects to the mac via a PCI slot or to a G4 powerbook via PCMCIA.

If you can test it somewhere, I guarantee you will want it!

and no, I don't work for the company or distributor; just a happy user!

Matt

[damann]

the hammerfall is looking great!
however, i just refuse to buy a "new" audio interface that has to use a pci card.
i have three macs, one of which is a Tibook, i want to be able to plug a firewire cable into any of them to make music!!!
hammerfall are definitely a company to watch for future developement though... they just released the first osx audio driver!!!

[feenomenal]

I just purchased the MOTU 828 yesterday, and it is simply excellent. The sound quality is pristine, and I just can't be happier. I have not experienced any latency whatsoever, even monitoring the output through the computer instead of using their latency-free hardware-based monitoring. The Audiodesk software that comes with it is relatively powerful; with several real-time effects and the like to choose from. I'll use that until a strong performer steps up for OS X, at which time I'll switch to that.

I emailed MOTU's tech support a few days ago when I was considering the purchase and they replied promptly, letting me know that OS X drivers and software should be out, I believe they said by the end of the summer. They should be available as a free download to registered owners.

Someone asked the question if a Titanium Powerbook would handle the MOTU unit: In a word, YES!. The minimum requirements listed in the MOTU manual are a 300Mhz G3 processor, and some ridiculously small amount of RAM and hard disk space. In a few months after my girlfriend and I save up a bit more cash (I just layed out over $700 for the MOTU) we'll be buying an iBook - 600Mhz G3, and I fully expect it to be able to handle the MOTU for a portable recording solution.

Currently I'm running it on an 800Mhz G4 iMac, and couldn't be happier. I'm just beginning to work my way through the Audiodesk manual though, which is a substantial read!

Mike

[damann]

i'd like to address this post directly to motu.
you guys are responsible for THE most popular, revered AUDIO INTERFACES available.
your forward thinking, and endorsement of the macintosh platform has culminated in the release and ultimately wholehearted endorsement of the wonderful 828.
PLEASE realise that, although you were the first music based software developers for the mac, and have maintained EXCELLENCE in this arena, your hardware is endorsed by MANY musicians that don't use performer software.
STAY AHEAD, don't wait for performer to be ready for x before you make audio drivers available.
realise that your hardware has a whole REPUTATION of its' own, that could, in the event of you taking it seriously enough, HELP dp.
if motu had released the first x audio drivers, a major battle would have been won outright by the favourites. every salesman in every music store would have naturally recommended a complete motu solution to every purchaser of a new mac!!!
at the moment, unfortunately, i, and many others are wondering how quickly to "ditch" motu hardware in order to stay in the "game".
hammerfall seem to have chosen their name very well.
let's see a "hammerfall" from the MASTERS of the game.
please.

[damann]

oh yeah,
this thread started out as motu 828 vs. digi 001!
dodgy oh, oh who?

breath in slooowly...breath oouutt...
sorry, i've calmed down now, but what a piece of CARP!
1. i've heard better mic pre's on a seck desk.
2. why do they have to have a party that i'm not invited to, in my system folder???
3. why do their decidedly average plugins cost the kind of money that would buy a car that would throw in a free bl*wj@b?
4. why do they insist that the word "compatibility" dosen't exist?
5. why direct io?
6. why tdm/rtas?
7. why oms?
8. etc etc...
9. ditto
10. just "why"
i'm being aggresive here, but for good reason. we're not here to advertise "products", we're here to "critique" them!

[damann]

digi 001 does not equal "pro tools" by sam ashs' or any other pro standards
just because it bears the digidesign name, dosen't mean it's this "pro solution" that the digi salesmen may "imply" it is>
in its' price range, it actually competes with some heavyweight competition! !!!
not, particularly successfully!
"828"! that number "comes up" every time i think of mac audio interfaces.

this subject is well documented on this site,
getting boring actually,
almost as much as the "oms" debate.
rock 'n' roll is dead!
long live rack 'n' roll!

[lepetitmartien]

Just upon your (justified) rant damann, 828 driver and Clockworks are in public beta since the 24th, so by september at the very least, finals will be there.

Also, the guys at MOTU, they where their money is, hardware is more than 60% of their sales… I think they KNOW it

well, at least, I hope

[damann]

hmmm, yeah, i did get a bit carried away there...
must have been that last beer at 5 in the morning!
peace to all, it's only 'cos i care...

[Straylight001]

so...ummm..let me get this straight...digi is offering b***jobs? wha? wow..i was considering motu..but now i just don't know.

[add9]

I bought my Motu 828, 8 months ago, and a friend of mine bought Digi001.
I am happy, he is not, so he is selling his Digi and buying Moto.

The only thing that's left for him to do is to throw that PC of his out of the window and buy a G4. I am working on it

I would like to add my 2 cents, as I have owned both systems. Let it be known that I only do audio for music, not film or anything else. I initially bought the 828 because it was the only system that worked with the iMac that I owned at the time. The unit was great, sounded great... the audio editing kinda sucked, and that is what eventually led me to sell the unit.....

and buy a 001 with a 500mHz DP G4. The editing features are great and really easy to learn. The unit sounds just as good as the 828 and the only downside to the whole deal is the midi features suck ass. Oh well, at least I have a MPC, so all the bases are covered.

If you plan to edit files in different studios and other places, get a digi... Pro Tools is everywhere and that is not going to change. Everybody knows that MOTU does midi and only does audio because they have to... Digi does audio and does a shitty job at midi. Since we are talking about tracking machines, the answer is obvious.

[bandara1]

... and what about the WONDERFUL DIGI 002?!

[Synthetik]

I just can't say this enough

The Digi system is not full protools, dido to Damann!
Its not expandable, the Digi002 is nice and presonus has their Firestation or what ever to expand on the 001 but in my eyes thats still not going to cut it. but yeah I am upset with MOTU because or their failure to get out OSX drivers before the OS was already almost 2 years old. But then again protools is still OS9.

[damann]

hey guys-
motu 2408 mk3 just got released, no osx though?
having said that, it's looking great.
digi002 comes with this large lump of plastic though...
that must be the reason for the PRICE.
the large lump of plastic award goes to...

[Synthetik]

yeah I was very disapionted when I saw the price.
I love the mixer but I don't need it. Just the system

[Teiwaz]

The only advice I have to offer is that nowadays I automatically "erase" dodgydesign from my field of vision when I walk into my local music store. I know what's cool and what's carp.

I own an Apogee AD-8000 converter (yes, expensive but beautiful) and have a TDM ProFools rig and also, a much more creative, beefier in terms of DSP, and cheaper (than a single 2nd hand dodgydesign 888/24) MOTU 2408 rig. I have compared the output quality of the Apogee against the 2408 (I know I'm not talking about an 828 here, but my assumption is that the 2408's converters are similar) and the 2408 isn't quite as rounded in the bottom end as the Apogee, but hey!! For the money?! The 2408 s***s all over the sound quality of a dodgydesign 888!! Do those who use PT really know their a**e from their elbow, I ask myself?

The 828 is something I really want to get my hands on. A DigiOO1 is something I laugh at when I see it in some poor chap's/lasses rack.

Summary: If a (TDM based) 888/24 doesn't sound as good as a MOTU 2408, then what chances do the Digi001 have of sounding remotely usable, except for basic demos? And you only get 24 tracks!! I wont even mention the midi specs available in NoTools...there aren't any.

I'm a Logic user!

PS...by the way, Mr. T, what are you standing in between of? Is it 2 large racks of dodgydesign equipment that you cant sell?

[Mr.T]

PS...by the way, Mr. T, what are you standing in between of? Is it 2 large racks of dodgydesign equipment that you cant sell?

Huuum...three threads in a row...and you're mentioning me in two of them... Do I know you?....
Q: am I gonna respond to this?...
Nooooo... I've been there before...
Thanks for your cooperation and welcome on MacMusic.
Have a nice day.

[Teiwaz]

RIBBET

[Presto]

Teiwaz. Come on now. You're being silly.

I do understand, though. I was in a terrible mood a couple of days ago and should have had enough brains to go for a walk instead of upset people.

Ah, yes! Both you and I use PT so that explains it.

Are you suffering from withdrawal symptoms?

Sorry folks, that's a bit of topic. Teiwaz, if you'd like to have a nice brawl, you could open a ring in the open bar. Please do invite me. Hehe! (You wouldn't be from Lancashire would you?).

[truthfind]

I have been having a similar dilema. I have purchased an 828 and absolutely love it, mostly because it is firewire and can use it with either a laptop or desktop. DP is a very nice DAW, although maybe not as refined as pro tools. I have used both and think that DP has a learning curve that is a lot easier to overcome than pro tools. What's more, MOTU has tried to add similar features from PT into DP, making the migration easier for users of PT. That said, I will probably end up also buying a 002 for mobile recording but still keeping DP for my main desktop because of DP's ability to use HD and TDM hardware. It is difficult (if not impossible) to get PT to interface with MOTU hardware. PT is a little too proprietary for me, but I do like how refined and powerful the interface is.

The choice for you really comes down to how much extra gear do you want to haul around for mobile recording, if that is even a thought for you? With DP, you can cary a laptop, external harddrive, and an 828. Can't do that with the 001. But if you are recording in only one place, the decision needs to boil down to ease of use and power. DP does a great job, there are a mess of plugins for it, as there are for PT, the choice comes down to what you want in the future.

[Mr.T]

Wise thoughts there Truthfind... Nice to hear from someone whose opinion is balanced... it makes a change compared to all those useless "Dodgydesign, huhuhu!!" "PT users are ****, hehe" smartass comments.
Thanks for participating.

[Teiwaz]

It would appear there are some folks on this site that dont have a sense of humour...



I know I never feel too happy when I look into my wallet and it's been emptied by a corporate entity.



This subject isn't boring to the individual who is about to 'buy into a financial trap'. Just trying to help people make the right choices so they have some cash left over to pay their mortgages. Oh yes, and find that creative edge in their music software.



No offence intended.

Just sound advice to those who require it...

[Teiwaz]

Hi Presto. I quote you:

1) "I do understand, though. I was in a terrible mood a couple of days ago and should have had enough brains to go for a walk instead of upset people."

Who did you upset?

2) "Are you suffering from withdrawal symptoms?"

I'm clean in every sense of the word, m8.

3) "Teiwaz, if you'd like to have a nice brawl, you could open a ring in the open bar. Please do invite me. Hehe! (You wouldn't be from Lancashire would you?)"

Yeah, I happen to know Lancashire very well. I have Liverpool/Scottish/Welsh blood, though I find that it rains a little too much in Lancashire. Whalley's nice, though. I lived there for a while. Wouldn't want to spend my life in Clitheroe though. Where do you hail from in Lancashire? Cumbria's way more engaging. Blackburn's a bit depressing but the people are nice. Rawthenstall is even more depressing. That's why you have Blackpool nearby.

I'm not the bar room brawl type...got more important things to do - like making music, m8! LA tends to be a little more busy than the north of england...I have personal experience of that.

Nice to meet someone who is from my native Lancashire!

"ey up lud, there's trubble at mill"

Cheers!

[Mr.T]

Just trying to help people make the right choices so they have some cash left over to pay their mortgages.

Your opinion is valuable and appreciated... It would be even more appreciated if you could keep from saying that people using some kind of tools (PT for example...) are complete idiots ("Do those who use PT really know their a**e from their elbow, I ask myself?")... Humour has nothing to do with it...you can add all the smileys you want, your opinion, the way you put it, IS agressive, not funny...at all.
That would help creating a more constructive spirit around here... That's all I'm saying (as I've always had)... Meanwhile if you wanna say Digi is crap... Feel free to say it here...this is one of those forum where opinions on products and manufacturers are welcomed... We don't get ANY money from advertising. I'm not a huge fan of Digi myself, just a user who doesn't like to get trashed...

[Teiwaz]

I try not to take life too seriously. It's only gear, after all. Why dont you get a job as a law enforcer...?

[Teiwaz]

In your own words, Mr T.

Quote 1) "Don't judge people and spit on them when you don't have the full picture...thank you."

Nobody judged anybody.

Quote 2) "Arses are like opinions..."

And in my opinion, yours is from said physical comparison..

Quote 3) "You've made an album with E.Clapton?... Good for you!... Am I gonna bend over and lick your boots for that?... I don't think so... The fact that you've worked with Clapton doesn't mean a thing to me... It all depends on what you've done for the guy...and even if you should have produced/recorded and mixed his whole album, Clapton's records are, in my very small/ humble/ insignificant opinion, not what I would really called "creative stuffs"...far from it"

Talk about attempting to offend people, what do you call this tirade against Damann, then?! Politeness?! This was my FIRST IMPRESSION of you. Not impressive at all.

Dont put words into my mouth Mr T! I never said PT users are "idiots".

I'll use smiley faces as much as I like with my humble opinions.



I'm outta here...

[Mr.T]

Same sh**, different day.
Have a nice trip.

[Presto]

Teiwaz and I have an age old understanding. The only difference is the coulour of our roses. We are therefore 'enemies' who will only stop fighting to buy the next round

Anyway, back to topic: I say to anybody who want's 'low-end' digi stuff "Go for it, it's very good" and you won't be wasting your money.

Still, digi's treatment of users of high-end digi stuff seems difficult to stomach. Also, I'm sure there's a forum somewhere, specially for complaining about digi

Pint o' bitter please, Teiwaz.

[Teiwaz]

Sure thing Presto. Now I'm not spending so much on TDM, I can afford to buy more than one round!!

[damann]

for your information guys,
teiwaz is a dear friend of mine, a thoroughly decent chap, an exceptional and knowledgeble musician/programmer, who like me, has been using digi gear for a long time, thus has an interesting and valid opinion on their products.
he, as friends do, took offence to mr t's attack on me earlier in this thread!
all the regular posters here provide great & knowledgeable insights into this murky world and i believe teiwaz will prove to you all that he can be counted in that number.
please everybody, welcome the great teiwaz!
oh yeah. the 828 has to be the winner here, thoroughly discussed months ago...

[Presto]

Mmm kisskiss aw

Glad you're here Teiwaz, but please remember your horrendous experience is with high-end gear. Let those with low ends enjoy their tools (oops, this sounds like it should be deleted)

[Teiwaz]

Thanks for the moral support, Damann. Peace'n'respect my ol' m8!!



Hey Presto (!) It's about the music at the end of the day...I wish you all the enjoyment in the world with your digi rig...



If you do decide to invest in more gear/upgrade, my only hope is that in that event you are better armed to make the most informed decisions...



I hate to sound too mushy, but Damann is one of the coolest, generous and one of the most honest people in the music industry that I've ever met. He's been an inspiration to me for years, and helped me off the sloping Atari platform many years ago before it slipped under the waves. He's been a beacon for me, so hopefully he can be for you too!

(Sorry to stray from the topic, but it feeeeels gooood!!)

Cheers! (next round on me)

[lepetitmartien]

(Sorry to stray from the topic, but it feeeeels gooood!!)

Yes but I Like informative babbling and on topic better.

Everyone and not only me would welcome you for that

For the moment I see only a lot of noise with a name dropping contest , not a lot of music

Now let's get back on business pretty please wiil you

(now if I could go to bed in the quietness

[damann]

hey guys, a group hug and back to business!
this thread is pretty dead, digi001 is kinda dead now, 2 the future...

[deleted]

Folks, discussions have gone way off-topic, i deleted all posts related to apogee & presonus, and created new theads at:

Presonus: http://www.macmusic.org/agora/forums/index...4441&s=&lang=US

Apogee: http://www.macmusic.org/agora/forums/index...4440&s=&lang=US

Please, try to follow the rules, someone looking for infos on apogee or presonus will never find the info in this thread! New forums categorization is on its way and it will soon be easier to look for something in particular, but till then...

Bye.