Reason Vs Logic 6 Pro Synths/plugins?, "Noob" question- can logic's synths comp Options

[whish]

Ok- I understand that the main uses of each program is different, and that there are some (if not many) things that each can and cannot do that the other can, but I was wondering about the "sound creating abilities" of both as a whole.
I don't yet own either program, but was wondering if the synths and plugins in the upcoming Logic 6 PRO version are of any comparison or competition to that which Reason offers. Basically- could I simply buy Logic PRO and accomplish the same things on it's collection of synths, etc. without ever making anything in Reason.
I know it's commonplace to make sounds in Reason and import them to other "more professional" sequencers- but in terms of quality and so as to not waste money on redundant "equipment" purchases- is Reason still the way to go when creating sounds- or is Logic PRO's collection enough of an "arsenal"?

By the way- in case it matter at all- I'm definitely ordering Logic, but don't know if I need Reason for anything- and also what music I'm inspired by most, and might be most similar to in "feel" is music in the same vein as Nine Inch Nails, Prick, VAST, Tricky, Bjork, A Perfect Circle, Radiohead, etc.
Also- I'm more interested in guitars than "blips and bleeps" and making odd, previously unheard or unfamiliar sounds, and throwing them all together to get your head nodding.
Thanks for your help.

Regards,
Corey

[gehrke111]

HI,
well, i use Logic, and can say that with the exs24 and the Halion and a couple of good plug-in packages i can do pretty much anything that i want to. i think the main interest with Reason is its soundbank cd and easy to use looping capabilities, for people that want to do techno, dance, house, etc. that being said, almost any idiot can make his own loops and in log6 you can timestretch regions to fit tempos, etc.
if you are at ease with midi files or scores, you don't need the Reason (if you've got money to waste, go for it, it is nevertheless a well-made program).

[snow]

Logic pro looks like they have it all inside...
but does logic 6 pro have any kind of drum machines?

and if so, how is it compared to established software drums?

[whish]

I've read that logic has some sort of impressive "drum machine" coming out- but as far as I've read, it isn't known if it will be included in the PRO bundle, like the rest of the plugins and synths and whatever they want to throw at us. I was hoping someone could shed some light on that for me.
That was actually a concern of mine- the drums. I know there are plenty of other companies that make great drum machine apps/progs/whatever, but, yeah- like snow said- how does or will Logic compare?
Thanks.
Anyone else?

[snow]

apple has stated in their last press release, that 3 new technologies will make their way to future pro-audio software and logic. a new synth, and new guitar amp and new drum machine.
as i read it, these WON't be featured in logic pro 6, but in future releases.

looks like something big...

[whish]

Thanks, Snow. I'd love to know a bit more about this upcoming drum machine for Logic. It better be coming out soon, dammit!;) ReBirth is fun and all... but...

[rickenbacker]

If you read the Logic versions comparison charts on the Emagic site, that details everything that will be in Pro. It's basically Logic Platinum plus every instrument Emagic have produced up to and including Space Designer. There will inevitably be new products from Emagic, one of which is rumoured to be this drum machine that's got everyone so hot under the collar.

Logic Pro blows Reason away. To have it all in one program is absolutely amazing - every kind of musical tool you're likely to ever need. If there's anything missing, plug it in! I have both Logic Platinum 6 (and all the extras) and Reason and I never use Reason any more. Yes, it's a cool program - I just don't need to use it any more. I actually prefer third-party synths occasionally for a new dimension - Albino, VirSyn Tera, the Spectrasonics trio.

For drums (apart from buying a few REX CDs and dropping them into the EXS24 in Logic), why not try LinPlug's RMIV (that's RM 4 in Roman numerals)? I just got a copy recently and it's a pretty full-featured drum machine. Does just what Emagic's fabled creation will do, probably. Or if you want to start smaller, try Ritmo from Manyetas software - another drum machine, also pretty good, but more basic.

Hope that helps.

[antfactor]

Corey,

I am slowly and gradually being pushed into buying some form of Logic - only because it will make it easier to work with other friends who use it in their studios. In my experience I have found that Logic is anything but logical for many simple functions. Most people I know (all very technically capable with full studios and lots of software experience) have taken anywhere from weeks to months to learn and configure Logic in a way that they're comfortable with.

The Logic synths DO sound great, btw. They seem decent/easy to program, but I've been programming various synths for 16 years now, and have no idea what your experience is with sound design.

The VST synths out there will do far more than cover what the current Reason devices will do, but you can make interesting/useful sounds in any of these packages. A lot of it comes down to: your technical needs, your experience, and what your creative process is - which is often closely tied in to how the interface is designed. I certainly hope you enjoy your purchase - and I'd be very curious to hear your experiences with it.

all the best,

thatant.

[whish]

Rickenbacker,
Thanks for your suggestions- I'll check those out.
I suppose the main reason I'm so curious about Logic's items, is because I like the idea of having everything in one system... I feel there's less of a chance for incompatibilities happening, and an over-all more stable tool to create with.
Because of my desire for equipment I can count on, and not need to constantly tweak things just so a program will function- I bought my first mac last week.
I really like the idea that Logic will now be made solely for that specific platform, and I know that I'll be able to count on it. Apple now owning Emagic or whatever seems more strong or dependable in the sense that I know Logic is going to work great on my new computer; and knowing that there might be a drum module that will work just as well/seamlessly on my powerbook... I don't know... nothing against any other company or program- I know they're all pretty damn good, and ultimately it's up to personal preference- but I feel much more confident knowing that there's a solid and harmonious integration. That kind of feature or idea is very important to me. I'm tired of crashes and being told this or that file can not be found or read...
Blah blah blah I type too much.
Thanks again for the input

[whish]

Thatant,
Thanks for the reply. My experience is close to none. I've been playing around with some drummachines, keyboards, synths and sequencers for about a year now- either in software or hardware form. I've played around with and made some pretty limited songs with some loops that I modified as much as I could so they no longer sounded like a loop.
I'm definitely just a beginner at all of this- but I have ideas and songs in my head that the equipment I've been "playing around with" just can't support. I need something more serious that I can "grow into" as I learn, and that will still be around for me when I'm more able and knowledgeable, and I seem to have found that in Logic- ESPECIALLY since Apple has now dedicated it to the Mac platform.
I've read many many times that the learning curve for Logic is steep- but at the moment, I've got a lot of time on my hands, and a very strong desire to learn. plus- what's the point of doing ANYTHING if it isn't in some form or another a challenge? hehe I know- I'm going to be "in over myhead" - but I'm really looking forward to the learning experience.
The only gripe I'm going to have about Logic is... NO RIGHT-CLICK... that might slow me down a bit, at first.. but oh well. Adapt or die off, I guess.
Alright- I've decided to not bother buying Reason... atleast for now. But I might at some later date. I suppose Logic will offer enough for me to work with for a while.
Thanks. I'm sure I'll be stopping in here with questions and letting you guys know what's up with my "Logic experience" as I go.
I appreciate the input.