Dp4 & Roland Jv Issue, Can I separate rythym parts? Options

[ssagala]

Dear DP4 users,

I have a roland jv1080 & and MPC2000. I rcently purchased a mac & DP4 to do more audio work, but since I started out with it, I do most of my midi sequencing on the MPC. When it comes time, I dump the entire sequence into DP4 to further manipulate stuff. Here is my issue: anyone who has a roland module knows that all drum parts are all on channel 10. As a result when I record a sequence into DP4 I get all the midi notes channel 10 is emmiting which happen to be my entire drum track. I would like to be able to treat each drum part separatly (i.e a track for the snare, one for the kick etc) and apply effects on individual drum tracks rather than the whole group. Is there any way to separate them once they are in the sequencer?
A more generic version of this question is, Is there any way to separate a midi track into a series of tracks based on the trriggered notes?

The only way round that I can think of is to mute indiviual notes and record say 10 drum tracks one at a time, which would be a pain. (life is supposed to be made easier by computers, right )

Thanks for your help.

[henrod]

I guess my question would be why you would need to separate out all the instruments? DP's drum editor is pretty good at letting you edit individual instruments pretty easily. It seems that this should be sufficient for just about anyone's needs in drum editing.

If you have some other purpose in mind, tell us about it.

Scott

[kolo]

Well, I use an older version of cubase, but I'll assume DP is as midi capable. I"ve had the same frustration with drums always chained to channel 10. My sequencer allows me to split midi tracks up based on a note range, so you set up a note range of say c3 to c3 (one note, say the bass drum), and you split up the drum track like this. A bit of a pain, and you still end up with all the tracks on one midi channel. (or you can mute them on the mpc and record them in one at a time as you say) You can control midi velocity individually, but if you use midi volume, ALL the drum tracks respond since they are all still on channel 10 on the roland. This is true even if you use your drum editor functionality inside DP.
What I found is easier is just commiting to a mix, and making the drums into a stereo audio track, or multiple audio tracks. Often in my songs there is repitition so I can record a section and copy it around. Maybe do a seperate bass drum, snare drum, then group the other percussion and perhaps seperate the cymbals for a few drum tracks, some control, like groups on a mixer.
BUT keep the midi data, later you can rerecord a section if you need to tweak or substitue a sound.
I started out recording on analog tape and it wasn't always 24 tracks. 4, then 8. You just had to decide, and that's not always a bad thing. I also worked in 24track tape based studios and we had maybe a mic on every drum. But you still worked up a general mix and grouped tracks so as not to go nuts trying to ride every single drum fader. You go in and knock up a fill in the mix or whatnot as y ou go along.
With midi...Now you have the option of keeping the midi, and going back later if you change your mind. Even with your problem, things are so good now....

[kolo]

Oh yea, one other thing... I had an XP50 which has similar voice architecture as the jv you are using. You can only play back drum patches on channel ten. BUT you can make a new patch and assign a single ( or up to 4 in my case) drum wave to it, and nothing else. All the waves on the XP were available for making user patches and I bet you can do the same on the JV. You need to learn how to create a new patch, or edit an existing one, apply the right kind of envelope to make the sound trigger right and that patch can be used in any channel. You can not have 70 drum sounds across the keyboard as a drum patch, put you can layer 4 waves I bet, as I could. So they could each have a range of notes. I made some like this with 4 variations of a snare drum across one patch, set up like a 4 way split. 2 octaves per wave. I got 24 variations of tuning for each snare and 4 different snare waves in there. I could then tweak away to my hearts content in my sequencer, on any channel to create subltle articulations and variations in the snare sound by triggering different notes in the patch I'd made. Do the same for other drum sounds. Bingo.

[Gyro]

One way to do this is to use the note split command once you have recorded the midi track to DP. Just identify the midi note for the specific drum and set the parameters of the note split to that in the "from" and "to" sections of the dialogue box. Eventually I would think you'd want to just use the MPC as a midi pad controller and record direct into DP . Or try the Drum sequencer in DP it's really fast to paint patterns in.