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ArchivalAudio
posté dim. 6 févr. 2005, 21:41
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wondering if anyone has actually used the new PreSonus FireBox? Its been available in Europe for a month now... and just became available here in the US. I am wondering if any has tried this unit out... I am strongly considering gettting one. I would like to hear any reviews of this new interface.

any opinions?
power consumption in the feild? etc.

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posté mer. 22 juin 2005, 06:01
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thats cool.

Ok, so here;s the story. Getting a bit frustrated with the firebox for the 1st time. Trying to use it to perform with in MaxMSP. Seems like patches that the internal card can handle the firebox keeps popping and clicking on. I have to go from 128 samples buffer and signal vector size, to 256for both for it to work smoothly. and even then there is a click every few minutes (not bad, but there all the same). I keep getting these CPU spikes. activity monitor shows kernel_task spikes in CPU up to like 95% every once in a while while the firebox is plugged in. None when its not. Whats up? i heard something about this from someone else. They said Presonus or maybe apple claimed it was normal and should not affect operation. But it does - my pops are usually synced with such spikes, occurring about every 15 sec when at 128 samples buffer. It cant be normal for firewire audio interfaces. I dont like it for normal operation of the computer either (when crunching big files, who wants an unused audio interface hogging CPU? arrrrg

I still get pops every once in while when on 256 samps even though MaxMSP reports my CPU usage as down to about 34%!(activity monitor showed much higher, around 60-90% for MaxMSP) My internal card runs with no discernible clicks/pops at up to about 55-60% processor load in Max at 128 samps buffer normally. Its these darn CPU spikes belonging to the system that happen every once in a while with the Firebox plugged in. I tried everything i could think of to turn off, not turn on, restarted several times... unsure.gif

So then i tried Logic 6.4 - adding spacedesigners until it choked - i got to i think 5 and logic reported nearly maxed CPU (music have been 90-100%, but there's no numerical display in logic) but the firebox did not click or pop at all, at 128 samples buffer. What the heck? Of course it clicked (choked) when i added the 6th, but the 5th was definitely showing 90-100% usage with no pops. Is there a difference in the way that MaxMSP and Logic access a coreaudio device that makes this disparity in popping/clicking? Or is Logic's CPU meter just wussy? But no... the 6th space designer REALLY choked the machine (unresponsive for about 15 sec) so that could not be it...

This is starting to anger me - its like i can only use half the processor power i did before in MaxMSP if i still want decent latency using the Firebox. Would a MOTU or something like that be better? and RME? Cause i could (very reluctantly) i think still return the firebox until the end of the week... I really like it with logic ad stuff, but its not really cutting it in Max right now and I dont know why.

Anyone have any ideas? sad.gif

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- ArchivalAudio   Presonus Firebox Reviews?   dim. 6 févr. 2005, 21:41
- - arvidtp   i'd like to know too!   dim. 6 févr. 2005, 22:37
- - lepetitmartien   Available one month before in Europe? for the prod...   lun. 7 févr. 2005, 01:55
- - ArchivalAudio   Crazy I know! when I sent an email regarding ...   lun. 7 févr. 2005, 15:07
- - charlzz   Yes, Guitar Center, Portland Oregon, had 3 Firebox...   mar. 8 févr. 2005, 09:19
- - ArchivalAudio   QUOTE (charlzz @ Feb 8 2005, 00:19)Yes, Guita...   mar. 8 févr. 2005, 15:06
- - GitGeezer   I'm currently testing one now. Very prelimina...   mer. 9 févr. 2005, 08:10
- - ArchivalAudio   GitGeezer thanx for the post that is mixed news I...   jeu. 10 févr. 2005, 07:07
- - GitGeezer   Greetings, Ian... I'm in the Northwest US (no...   dim. 13 févr. 2005, 09:43
- - arvidtp   I await your review of the box! particularly h...   dim. 13 févr. 2005, 21:08
- - ArchivalAudio   Hey Git cool looking forward to more reviews foun ...   mar. 15 févr. 2005, 05:18
- - arvidtp   that is probably talking about stuff that actually...   mar. 15 févr. 2005, 05:30
- - khvt   Any more reviews on Firebox? Thanks.   sam. 19 févr. 2005, 15:46
- - GitGeezer   More Firebox experience: Recording a stereo track...   jeu. 24 févr. 2005, 07:49
- - bbmozee   At long last, the missing link I've found. Eve...   mar. 1 mars 2005, 18:33
- - khvt   Hi bbmozee. Thanks for your post about the fabulou...   mar. 1 mars 2005, 18:39
- - ArchivalAudio   bbmozee hey great to hear such an enthusastic re...   mer. 2 mars 2005, 06:40
- - cookshack   Are all of you guys still short on mic pres? Terr...   mer. 2 mars 2005, 18:59
- - bbmozee   More on the fab FIREBOX: Smooth and in the groove ...   mer. 2 mars 2005, 19:01
- - arvidtp   sounds cool bbmozee but you *can* turn the latenc...   mer. 2 mars 2005, 21:18
- - GitGeezer   a little more Firebox experience... I got an emai...   jeu. 3 mars 2005, 07:14
- - beltunabob   JD sounds has a price now of $199 on the Terr...   jeu. 3 mars 2005, 16:17
- - bbmozee   I must admit that I haven't been able to make ...   jeu. 3 mars 2005, 21:31
- - bbmozee   FIREBOX clarification--I can get the MBOX SPDIF ou...   ven. 4 mars 2005, 17:14
- - ullanta   Hmmm... what are you trying to do in connecting th...   sam. 5 mars 2005, 06:12
- - arvidtp   This is the same setup i would like ideally too. T...   sam. 5 mars 2005, 06:31
- - digimusic   is there fire in the box??? i am in amsterdam an...   sam. 5 mars 2005, 21:09
- - bbmozee   Details re: Mbox-FireBox SPDIF connection. 1-I...   sam. 5 mars 2005, 21:13
- - ArchivalAudio   wow lotsa good info about the box here... sorry I ...   sam. 5 mars 2005, 21:51
- - ullanta   How is the clock set up on the Mbox side?   sam. 5 mars 2005, 21:53
- - bbmozee   FireBox saga continued. First of all I must mentio...   lun. 7 mars 2005, 02:35
- - bbmozee   DAT to FireBox to eMac and Peak a success! Jus...   lun. 7 mars 2005, 04:38
- - GitGeezer   Regarding my SPDIF problem... I haven't had t...   lun. 7 mars 2005, 07:47
- - bbmozee   My experiences mirror GitGeezer's - only with ...   lun. 7 mars 2005, 16:14
- - GitGeezer   Sorry to hear about the Logic 7 problem. I am jus...   mar. 8 mars 2005, 05:32
- - digimusic   HI PEOPLE, I RECENTLY ASKED A Q ABOUT THE FIRBOX I...   jeu. 10 mars 2005, 19:57
- - bbmozee   FireBox saga finale: I just discovered that the re...   ven. 11 mars 2005, 17:49
- - lepetitmartien   Hi all, please, inform the guys at Presonus and le...   sam. 12 mars 2005, 03:30
- - ArchivalAudio   lepetitmartien thanx! for the suggestion I had...   sam. 12 mars 2005, 19:37
- - GitGeezer   For bbmozee... Which logs specifically did you di...   mar. 15 mars 2005, 07:38
- - bbmozee   Git: Check out Apple Menu>About This Mac>Mor...   mar. 15 mars 2005, 17:03
- - vickbabu   I was considering the firebox, aside from the fact...   mer. 16 mars 2005, 23:11
- - ArchivalAudio   hey Awhile Back I did contact PreSonus they (Rick)...   mar. 5 avril 2005, 00:15
- - twits celso   ArchivalAudio--where are you trying to get the ...   mer. 6 avril 2005, 17:11
- - khvt   I bought mine from Sweetwater. So far I like it - ...   jeu. 7 avril 2005, 13:27
- - twits celso   Mine sometimes does that too, with same solution (...   jeu. 7 avril 2005, 15:06
- - ArchivalAudio   twits celso hey thanx UnfortnatelyI live about an ...   ven. 8 avril 2005, 02:27
- - twits celso   I've never even gotten around to opening the C...   ven. 8 avril 2005, 15:14
- - zorbeix   QUOTE (bbmozee @ Mar 11 2005, 16:49)FireBox s...   mer. 20 avril 2005, 02:10
- - ArchivalAudio   I just got my Firebox yesterday... so far only one...   mer. 20 avril 2005, 05:13
- - zorbeix   QUOTE (ArchivalAudio @ Apr 20 2005, 04:13)I j...   mer. 20 avril 2005, 05:21
- - ArchivalAudio   Olivier, I'm running aG4 ibook 1.2Ghz /1.25GB...   jeu. 21 avril 2005, 00:15
- - meta22   I've had a firebox for 2 weeks and it's be...   jeu. 21 avril 2005, 06:40
- - ArchivalAudio   meta22 cool tell me how you got it workin' d...   jeu. 21 avril 2005, 06:52
- - ArchivalAudio   ok... so I upgraded to OS 10.3.9...... mistake...   mer. 27 avril 2005, 14:18
- - zorbeix   It's all supposed to be a java problem for whi...   mer. 27 avril 2005, 16:15
- - Jonasji   So ArchivalAudio or meta22 what is your verdic of ...   mer. 27 avril 2005, 16:53
- - meta22   Well so far it sounds great--less cracking and pop...   mer. 27 avril 2005, 17:10
- - twits celso   I've had one for about 6 weeks or so. The soun...   mer. 27 avril 2005, 17:18
- - Jubei   Hey guys....so I just picked up a Firebox this pas...   mer. 27 avril 2005, 21:04
- - Jonasji   Well, I guess every box has it problems. I had and...   mer. 27 avril 2005, 22:22
- - Jubei   I don't think i have done enough recording to ...   mer. 27 avril 2005, 22:49
- - bobmusic   QUOTE (GitGeezer @ Mar 8 2005, 04:32)I haven...   ven. 29 avril 2005, 22:51
- - ArchivalAudio   BOBmusic I made the same mistake in upgraging to 1...   sam. 30 avril 2005, 22:09
- - munkifunki   (((PLEASE HELP))) i get constant pops and clicks ...   dim. 1 mai 2005, 05:52
- - Jubei   Hey Munkfunki.....I hear you. I now have been usin...   dim. 1 mai 2005, 14:27
- - bobmusic   QUOTE (ArchivalAudio @ Apr 30 2005, 21:09)the...   dim. 1 mai 2005, 15:12
- - chappy   I'm going to guess that this is a clocking pro...   lun. 2 mai 2005, 14:14
- - Dreadman718   I purchased a Firebox two weeks ago and I can...   lun. 2 mai 2005, 21:40
- - bobmusic   QUOTE (Dreadman718 @ May 2 2005, 20:40)Now wh...   lun. 2 mai 2005, 22:26
- - iDraw   it was great to find this particular forum about t...   mar. 10 mai 2005, 00:04
- - khvt   Hi - I've been reading this post since its inc...   mer. 11 mai 2005, 01:50
- - vickbabu   I just recieved mine and experienced the same ...   mer. 25 mai 2005, 13:03
- - arvidtp   Yep - Just ordered mine. I'll share my experie...   mer. 25 mai 2005, 13:39
- - ArchivalAudio   soa quick reply here I had many problems wioth the...   jeu. 26 mai 2005, 01:33
- - arvidtp   Hi - just got my 'box today! I like it. I...   mer. 1 juin 2005, 01:36
- - arvidtp   Firebox - DAY 2 Well, today I did some real work ...   jeu. 2 juin 2005, 06:31
- - entfred   Hi, I just ordered a Mac Mini with extra memory, ...   jeu. 2 juin 2005, 14:23
- - arvidtp   hey - sounds cool entfred. 1. it should! the ...   jeu. 2 juin 2005, 20:11
- - hahaworld   Firebox Rox! I have officially left ProTools ...   ven. 3 juin 2005, 16:08
- - entfred   What is the quality of Logic compared to your prev...   ven. 3 juin 2005, 17:08
- - arvidtp   Me too! goodbye pro tools with Mbox! Man,...   ven. 3 juin 2005, 22:37
- - SadPandas   I have been using the firebox for about a week now...   jeu. 9 juin 2005, 08:42
- - ArchivalAudio   Hi my life has gotten busy... My unit is or seems ...   dim. 12 juin 2005, 19:27
- - arvidtp   Thats a cool idea to power the firebox with a batt...   lun. 13 juin 2005, 04:42
- - ArchivalAudio   arvidtp thanx for you indepth info...always good p...   jeu. 16 juin 2005, 07:17
- - entfred   I tried changing the "optimization" sett...   mer. 22 juin 2005, 12:23
- - twits celso   The "right click" settings for the Fireb...   mer. 22 juin 2005, 14:52
- - khvt   Twits, How do you then change the software mixer...   mer. 22 juin 2005, 14:57
- - arvidtp   the mixer does not seem to be the problem with me....   mer. 22 juin 2005, 16:55
- - tbirdwilson   Greets I've just tried out my Firebox for the...   dim. 10 juil. 2005, 14:58
- - arvidtp   OK tbird, you're in luck - here's some mor...   dim. 10 juil. 2005, 17:19
- - primeclub   i know this is a mac forum, but does anybody check...   jeu. 28 juil. 2005, 14:41
- - vsmith1   I've noticed that the Firebox changes the proc...   ven. 29 juil. 2005, 10:54
- - entfred   Further Experiences with Mac Mini and Presonus Fir...   ven. 29 juil. 2005, 13:51
- - brendan   QUOTE Next thing for me to try is to use Cubase, s...   ven. 29 juil. 2005, 16:08
- - vsmith1   QUOTE (primeclub @ Jul 28 2005, 13:41)i know ...   ven. 19 août 2005, 21:15
- - arvidtp   try using jack or soundflower (both free) to get t...   sam. 20 août 2005, 00:26
- - vsmith1   QUOTE (vsmith1 @ Aug 19 2005, 20:15)Yes I...   dim. 28 août 2005, 20:44
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