The Name Of This Forum Is An Oxymoron, Dude, you're gettin' nowhere--fast. |
ven. 27 sept. 2002, 13:30
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Senior Member Groupe : Members Messages : 296 Inscrit : 10 août 02 Lieu : Rimghobb - UA Membre no 6,734 |
The very title of this forum is an oxymoron.
There is no music on OS X, not in any meaningful and useful way across the spectrum of musical needs. You're hearing this opinion from a 10-year veteran die-hard Mac evangelist. Sure, keyboardist Geewhiz has managed to cobble together a magically working combination that allows him to play Reason synths from his keyboard because it just so happens that he has one of the pitiful handful of USB MIDI interfaces that has had an OS X driver written for it. Not that anybody can determine even with a crystal ball which MIDI devices have any such drivers, since many MIDI (and audio) hardware manufacturers just put something nice and ambiguous in their promotional literature and on their web pages like "Mac OS 8.6 and above," leaving the buyer to find out by whatever means they can whether that includes OS X or not--usually *not*. Or audiophile Gahlee Lookahere can transfer his Spike Jones collection off of scratchy 78-rpms into Peak and tweak. And God bless him. Anybody can trot out any number of specialist, vertical-use examples to say, "Hey, now, listen here, you troublemaker: I'm making *my* brand of music." Fine. God bless you. But if there is a single OS X-based studio even operating anywhere in the world right now, not only is it absolutely forced to use Apple's own monopolistic $1,000.00 bank-buster Logic Audio Platinum (after 2 1/2 years with NOTHING available), but it is a desert island cut off by oceans of "no date has been set" promises from the entire rich mainland of third-party software effects and virtual instruments, with only a few working hardware audio and MIDI interfaces bobbing around it like ghostly and uncertain buoys in the darkness. Even the supposed Flagship of the "Mac-compatible" (please don't laugh) music fleet, Digidesign/ProTools, was so far out of the picture when OS X hit the streets that their top software wouldn't even RUN without risking extreme dangers on a Macintosh that even had OS X *installed* anywhere on it--even on a separate partition! Even seasoned, experienced, veteran Mac computer music equipment salesmen right now, today, hedge and hem and haw when you're trying to *buy* something from them and want to know if it will work under OS X. Even with commissions on the line, their cash-register driven souls just won't let them cross that line. This isn't music computing; it's an asylum that makes Bedlam look like Congress. (No, that's a bad analogy; actually Congress makes Bedlam look sane. But that's another essay.) The names "Core MIDI" and "Core Audio" services must have been dreamed up by someone with a particularly malicious sense of humor, since it seems that what it means is that MIDI and audio access and usefulness have been surgically cored out of Apple, and replaced with some modern digital Tower of Musical Babel that has effectively kept musicians who were attempting to migrate to OS X from communicating with their computers now for almost three years. And is the end of the bleeding frustration actually in sight? Well, it *always*, is, isn't it? But "no date has been set." So if you soon see a rash of G3s and G4s--like mine--and other musical paperweights showing up on E-Bay, don't be surprised. Dude, musicians are gettin' a Dell. |
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ven. 6 déc. 2002, 20:59
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Newbie Groupe : Members Messages : 13 Inscrit : 09 oct. 02 Lieu : Dago - US Membre no 8,357 |
QUOTE (xingu @ Sep 29 2002, 08:19) Amen Levon! Granted, this commentary (rant) comes with no experience whatsoever. But that's kind of the point... The only reason (no pun intended) I'm even involved in this forum is because a friend of mine (and bigtime Mac enthusiast - actually a developer, but not on the audio side) basically convinced me a few months ago that I should just get a G4 to solve my home recording concerns. Little did he realize how NOT ready this solution was. Sure, os9 is workin' fine for all those with previous experience. But I hopped into this Mac-hopper (and am now $2,000+ deep into it) expecting to be able to use what I have (i.e. the most current technology) to "simply" enter the world of home recording. Sure, Reason is working relatively well in osX with my US-428, but that doesn't help me much if I can't add in my bass, guitar, and vocals! In other words, I'm waiting (with baited breath) with the rest of you. Meanwhile, I'm wondering if I shouldn't have just saved 90% of my investment and just bought a flippin' 4-track! Of course, in the long run, that's sillly, but I certainly understand the frustration so eloquently laid out by Mr. River. Here's to progress (and fast)... use Live. Use can rewire into Live and record all your vocals and guitars plus stable in os x and A NEW VERSION THIS MONTH WITH TONS OF COOL NEW STUFF! http://www.thecolortvs.com |
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Levon River The Name Of This Forum Is An Oxymoron ven. 27 sept. 2002, 13:30
filarion A lot of frustration, eh? You're obviously re... ven. 27 sept. 2002, 15:55
rageheart yeah im working with os9 and everythings fine with... ven. 27 sept. 2002, 16:54
Levon River QUOTE (filarion @ Sep 27 2002, 14:55)You... ven. 27 sept. 2002, 17:14
Levon River QUOTE (rageheart @ Sep 27 2002, 15:54)im work... ven. 27 sept. 2002, 17:17
rageheart cool down, my friend. i just want 2 say why dont u... ven. 27 sept. 2002, 17:22
D-plex QUOTE So if you soon see a rash of G3s and G4s--li... ven. 27 sept. 2002, 23:22
Levon River QUOTE (rageheart @ Sep 27 2002, 16:22)cool do... ven. 27 sept. 2002, 23:25
rageheart hello levon! it may be helpful if you told us... sam. 28 sept. 2002, 11:35
Yukulele QUOTE (Levon River @ Sep 27 2002, 14:30)The v... sam. 28 sept. 2002, 14:48
Levon River QUOTE (rageheart @ Sep 28 2002, 10:35)hello l... sam. 28 sept. 2002, 17:54
Levon River QUOTE (Yukulele @ Sep 28 2002, 13:48)CD-Xtrac... sam. 28 sept. 2002, 18:32
xingu Amen Levon! Granted, this commentary (rant) c... dim. 29 sept. 2002, 09:19
Presto Oxu means sharp and möron means stupid. If we call... dim. 29 sept. 2002, 18:28
Stuartpa I would say that right now the only reason to go t... dim. 29 sept. 2002, 20:48
FroBoy909 All you whiners remind of those old-timers that si... ven. 22 nov. 2002, 00:55
Teiwaz FroBoy909, absolutely right! We don't wan... ven. 22 nov. 2002, 02:30
Levon River QUOTE (FroBoy909 @ Nov 21 2002, 23:55)"w... ven. 22 nov. 2002, 06:16
FroBoy909 sorry, i dont showcase my music. namely because i ... ven. 22 nov. 2002, 08:38
Johnny Valium QUOTE (FroBoy909 @ Nov 22 2002, 08:38)who say... ven. 22 nov. 2002, 10:21
Johnny Valium QUOTE (Johnny Valium @ Nov 22 2002, 10:21)But... ven. 22 nov. 2002, 13:14
Levon River QUOTE (Johnny Valium @ Nov 22 2002, 12:14)OS ... ven. 22 nov. 2002, 13:48
Johnny Valium QUOTE (Levon River @ Nov 22 2002, 13:48)Aweso... ven. 22 nov. 2002, 14:44
Levon River QUOTE (Johnny Valium @ Nov 22 2002, 13:44)Hey... ven. 22 nov. 2002, 20:06
Mugwomp I've had zero problems writing and recorind wi... lun. 2 déc. 2002, 07:48
Levon River QUOTE (Mugwomp @ Dec 2 2002, 06:48)You should... mer. 4 déc. 2002, 21:45
wonx We have a right to be pissed off. Maybe we're... jeu. 5 déc. 2002, 01:15
Levon River I think there's actually some light at the end... jeu. 5 déc. 2002, 05:22
xingu thanks for the suggestion, twelve, but that rant w... ven. 6 déc. 2002, 21:32
filarion A lot of frustration, eh? You're obviously re... ven. 27 sept. 2002, 15:55
rageheart yeah im working with os9 and everythings fine with... ven. 27 sept. 2002, 16:54
Levon River QUOTE (filarion @ Sep 27 2002, 14:55)You... ven. 27 sept. 2002, 17:14
Levon River QUOTE (rageheart @ Sep 27 2002, 15:54)im work... ven. 27 sept. 2002, 17:17
rageheart cool down, my friend. i just want 2 say why dont u... ven. 27 sept. 2002, 17:22
D-plex QUOTE So if you soon see a rash of G3s and G4s--li... ven. 27 sept. 2002, 23:22
Levon River QUOTE (rageheart @ Sep 27 2002, 16:22)cool do... ven. 27 sept. 2002, 23:25
rageheart hello levon! it may be helpful if you told us... sam. 28 sept. 2002, 11:35
Yukulele QUOTE (Levon River @ Sep 27 2002, 14:30)The v... sam. 28 sept. 2002, 14:48
Levon River QUOTE (rageheart @ Sep 28 2002, 10:35)hello l... sam. 28 sept. 2002, 17:54
Levon River QUOTE (Yukulele @ Sep 28 2002, 13:48)CD-Xtrac... sam. 28 sept. 2002, 18:32
xingu Amen Levon! Granted, this commentary (rant) c... dim. 29 sept. 2002, 09:19
Presto Oxu means sharp and möron means stupid. If we call... dim. 29 sept. 2002, 18:28
Stuartpa I would say that right now the only reason to go t... dim. 29 sept. 2002, 20:48
FroBoy909 All you whiners remind of those old-timers that si... ven. 22 nov. 2002, 00:55
Teiwaz FroBoy909, absolutely right! We don't wan... ven. 22 nov. 2002, 02:30
Levon River QUOTE (FroBoy909 @ Nov 21 2002, 23:55)"w... ven. 22 nov. 2002, 06:16
FroBoy909 sorry, i dont showcase my music. namely because i ... ven. 22 nov. 2002, 08:38
Johnny Valium QUOTE (FroBoy909 @ Nov 22 2002, 08:38)who say... ven. 22 nov. 2002, 10:21
Johnny Valium QUOTE (Johnny Valium @ Nov 22 2002, 10:21)But... ven. 22 nov. 2002, 13:14
Levon River QUOTE (Johnny Valium @ Nov 22 2002, 12:14)OS ... ven. 22 nov. 2002, 13:48
Johnny Valium QUOTE (Levon River @ Nov 22 2002, 13:48)Aweso... ven. 22 nov. 2002, 14:44
Levon River QUOTE (Johnny Valium @ Nov 22 2002, 13:44)Hey... ven. 22 nov. 2002, 20:06
Mugwomp I've had zero problems writing and recorind wi... lun. 2 déc. 2002, 07:48
Levon River QUOTE (Mugwomp @ Dec 2 2002, 06:48)You should... mer. 4 déc. 2002, 21:45
wonx We have a right to be pissed off. Maybe we're... jeu. 5 déc. 2002, 01:15
Levon River I think there's actually some light at the end... jeu. 5 déc. 2002, 05:22
xingu thanks for the suggestion, twelve, but that rant w... ven. 6 déc. 2002, 21:32
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