Protools--vs--????, lost in the digi jungle----HELP!! |
dim. 7 juil. 2002, 18:34
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i am starting from the ground up with a home studio ....i definitly want a mac i have my own website and as well as being a musician/composer...im also an artist
what i need to know is basicaly this;; what is the best and most cost efficant way to build a home studio that will be album quality and provide me with the warmth i enjoyed with 24 track 2'' tape --is this possible on a budget of a few grand or am i fooling myself??--------is protools the right way to go and what kind of mac is best 4 what im doing-----HELP PLEASE--- |
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lun. 11 nov. 2002, 05:27
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right on teiwaz, the 2408 is a top piece of kit. One feels that Motu are genuinely 'there' for you as well and this is a refreshing change - solid build, rock solid driver support (I don't miss my sporadic errors during mixdown of 20 minute tracks at all!). Thank god all my ins and outs are now balanced and of the same quality. It's been invaluable in getting my project studio analogue sound sources flexible and available in an efficiant way and seems my little 1604 desk is forming a healthy marriage with it based on mutual trust and understanding (?!).
In the 001's defence, when I put my first studio together it did provide all the things I needed in one box while money was tight. I was able to use the adat ins as a live mix in logic from the S6000, and preamps whilst obvoiusly not the greatest got several jobs done. Anyone doing battle with one at the moment (working solely one soundcard/one mac setup) has probably found that working at 24bit and using something like mic mod (emulation turned off) or similar, tube/analogue sat settings dialled in just a touch, then adding gain within the plugin to make up for the lack of gain at the input, 24bits give the plugin more to work with and dither, can do a passable impression of much better gear. It won't fool a pro, but then the 001 isn't really aimed at this market. Audio quality aside, what really, really sucks however is the lack of foresite in the design of the drivers and the who's gives a s**t attitude regarding product support. It is not possible to work proffessionally with this hanging over every decision you make during a job or when aquiring new bits/software/computer upgrade etc. I sold my 001 to a friend just starting out in the world of mac music, having expressed some reservations and problems I had had to overcome (driver conflicts etc) but confident it had run respectably-ish on my dual500. I went round to help him set it up and, oh great, because he was 'unfortunate' enough to own a quicksilver g4 it doesn't work. Dodgy's fix? Replace the motherboard!!! Ever heard of buying a new mac and it not being compatible with your older SCSI legacy stuff for example? This isn't rocket science, it's just the bussing of data from one device to another and the suitable drivers to interpret it, which should presumably be able to be altered/rewritten to suit the host computer! Dodgy have had your cash and now you're just a target market who may be daft enough to hand over some more when your setup prematurely expires. Teiwaz has been consistantly accurate in kit recommendations with regards making music on a mac for a long time now and is a chap with his finger firmly on the pulse. Take heed and save yourself alot of hard earned dosh! Luv to all, Holli x |
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midnight Protools--vs--???? dim. 7 juil. 2002, 18:34
Mr.T You're fooling yourself indeed... Sorry but yo... dim. 7 juil. 2002, 23:41
damann in this game you're as good as your expertise... mar. 9 juil. 2002, 23:53
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III777III VERY old NEWS there are several MILLION people fr... lun. 19 août 2002, 06:16
Mr.T QUOTE (III777III @ Aug 19 2002, 07:16)VERY ol... lun. 19 août 2002, 09:19
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Presto "VERY old NEWS" As Mr T says so rightly... mar. 20 août 2002, 13:28
buryya To continue beating a dead horse on whether a comm... mer. 21 août 2002, 02:50
Mr.T The dead horse is coming alive...good points here.... mer. 21 août 2002, 08:59
Synthetic I personally... I think you can record an excellen... mer. 21 août 2002, 20:33
damann didn't i say all of this in the first place? ... dim. 25 août 2002, 03:23
burns ahhhhhhhh children !!!!!!... lun. 26 août 2002, 21:12
Mr.T Ohhhhhhh Newbie !!!!! lun. 26 août 2002, 23:48
Yukulele QUOTE (damann @ Aug 25 2002, 04:23)put mister... mar. 27 août 2002, 02:48
beezkneez hey i read that sting is recording right now using... mer. 25 sept. 2002, 11:30
damann hi beezkneez, what this means in reality is that h... jeu. 26 sept. 2002, 01:55
rickenbacker On this subject, is anyone out there using an Mbox... jeu. 26 sept. 2002, 10:42
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rickenbacker Hmm, interesting. I'm still caught in this wei... ven. 27 sept. 2002, 11:57
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rickenbacker "the only reason to be making music with osx ... sam. 28 sept. 2002, 11:25
urbanmatador > "the only reason to be making music with... sam. 28 sept. 2002, 22:53
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Teiwaz "you can currently buy a 24 track tape machin... sam. 2 nov. 2002, 23:25
Teiwaz Thank you, Holli. (By the way, Holli has an awesom... mer. 13 nov. 2002, 08:55
holli Haha, lovingly hand built in 1952 and it's nev... jeu. 14 nov. 2002, 04:53
damann QUOTE (holli @ Nov 14 2002, 03:53)Haha, lovin... jeu. 14 nov. 2002, 05:33
Presto I've got a nice Selmer alto sax from the 30... jeu. 14 nov. 2002, 19:27
holli QUOTE Strange that often the classiest and most pr... ven. 15 nov. 2002, 03:25
droltam well this should heat things up...... I work in a ... ven. 15 nov. 2002, 06:06
damann QUOTE (holli @ Nov 15 2002, 02:25)Damann, if ... sam. 16 nov. 2002, 02:09
Teiwaz Yes...rather annoying spurious background chatter.... sam. 16 nov. 2002, 11:55
Presto Bloody hell! Damann and Teiwaz! Should we... sam. 16 nov. 2002, 16:13
holli i can never really understand why people get obses... sam. 16 nov. 2002, 18:22
lepetitmartien Just a quick word to tell again that tis forum is ... sam. 16 nov. 2002, 19:42
holli hey, a. yes I did start another thread concernin... dim. 17 nov. 2002, 19:07
Teiwaz Now there's a man who knows his salt from his ... dim. 17 nov. 2002, 23:29
droltam Protools with Digi hardware sounds better than Cub... lun. 18 nov. 2002, 02:10
lepetitmartien For info, a smiley was missing in my post… correct... lun. 18 nov. 2002, 03:49
Tone [ I am an amateur who works with a home VST with ... lun. 18 nov. 2002, 08:01
Teiwaz In response to droltam's quote: "Protool... mar. 19 nov. 2002, 02:59
Mr.T You're fooling yourself indeed... Sorry but yo... dim. 7 juil. 2002, 23:41
damann in this game you're as good as your expertise... mar. 9 juil. 2002, 23:53
Eric Seaberg I have been a Sonic Solutions user for the past 5 ... jeu. 11 juil. 2002, 06:34
damann my biggest dislike of digidesign is the fact that ... ven. 12 juil. 2002, 04:44
Mr.T QUOTE (damann @ Jul 12 2002, 05:44)if you... ven. 12 juil. 2002, 09:33
damann for your information mr t i work in all the big st... ven. 12 juil. 2002, 17:22
Mr.T QUOTE (damann @ Jul 12 2002, 18:22)you'll... sam. 13 juil. 2002, 12:35
Soif please, keep cool guys! peace... sam. 13 juil. 2002, 15:00
CeJeRo I personally have to say that I LOVE both ProTools... dim. 14 juil. 2002, 02:34
damann sound advice CeJeRo! 'though it's hard... dim. 14 juil. 2002, 19:26
Mr.T Amen... While we're here, has anyone seen this... dim. 14 juil. 2002, 22:32
Presto So, you want to set up a studio from scratch(?) an... dim. 11 août 2002, 21:58
lepetitmartien uh oh! Presto, what did you ate this evening? ... lun. 12 août 2002, 02:25
Presto Oops! I've gone an unglorious crimson colo... lun. 12 août 2002, 11:17
miss kiki teasing is great if the teaser and the teased are ... lun. 12 août 2002, 12:06
Mac1 To answer the mans original question, Yes you can ... lun. 12 août 2002, 16:51
Presto Yeah! Great! And I believe Mac 1 works mai... ven. 16 août 2002, 22:34
Presto I don't understand why there have been so few ... sam. 17 août 2002, 12:30
Mr.T QUOTE Or do you believe Mr T when he says you can... dim. 18 août 2002, 10:16
Presto I don't have much experience of tape sound qua... dim. 18 août 2002, 17:00
III777III VERY old NEWS there are several MILLION people fr... lun. 19 août 2002, 06:16
Mr.T QUOTE (III777III @ Aug 19 2002, 07:16)VERY ol... lun. 19 août 2002, 09:19
rickenbacker I don't think it matters what gear you're ... mar. 20 août 2002, 11:23
Presto "VERY old NEWS" As Mr T says so rightly... mar. 20 août 2002, 13:28
buryya To continue beating a dead horse on whether a comm... mer. 21 août 2002, 02:50
Mr.T The dead horse is coming alive...good points here.... mer. 21 août 2002, 08:59
Synthetic I personally... I think you can record an excellen... mer. 21 août 2002, 20:33
damann didn't i say all of this in the first place? ... dim. 25 août 2002, 03:23
burns ahhhhhhhh children !!!!!!... lun. 26 août 2002, 21:12
Mr.T Ohhhhhhh Newbie !!!!! lun. 26 août 2002, 23:48
Yukulele QUOTE (damann @ Aug 25 2002, 04:23)put mister... mar. 27 août 2002, 02:48
beezkneez hey i read that sting is recording right now using... mer. 25 sept. 2002, 11:30
damann hi beezkneez, what this means in reality is that h... jeu. 26 sept. 2002, 01:55
rickenbacker On this subject, is anyone out there using an Mbox... jeu. 26 sept. 2002, 10:42
damann a good point, yes, it works fine with logic. th... jeu. 26 sept. 2002, 14:39
rickenbacker Hmm, interesting. I'm still caught in this wei... ven. 27 sept. 2002, 11:57
damann realistically, there is no limbo state, os9 provid... sam. 28 sept. 2002, 01:53
rickenbacker "the only reason to be making music with osx ... sam. 28 sept. 2002, 11:25
urbanmatador > "the only reason to be making music with... sam. 28 sept. 2002, 22:53
Teiwaz anyone have comparisions between those two (digi v... sam. 2 nov. 2002, 22:01
Teiwaz "you can currently buy a 24 track tape machin... sam. 2 nov. 2002, 23:25
Teiwaz Thank you, Holli. (By the way, Holli has an awesom... mer. 13 nov. 2002, 08:55
holli Haha, lovingly hand built in 1952 and it's nev... jeu. 14 nov. 2002, 04:53
damann QUOTE (holli @ Nov 14 2002, 03:53)Haha, lovin... jeu. 14 nov. 2002, 05:33
Presto I've got a nice Selmer alto sax from the 30... jeu. 14 nov. 2002, 19:27
holli QUOTE Strange that often the classiest and most pr... ven. 15 nov. 2002, 03:25
droltam well this should heat things up...... I work in a ... ven. 15 nov. 2002, 06:06
damann QUOTE (holli @ Nov 15 2002, 02:25)Damann, if ... sam. 16 nov. 2002, 02:09
Teiwaz Yes...rather annoying spurious background chatter.... sam. 16 nov. 2002, 11:55
Presto Bloody hell! Damann and Teiwaz! Should we... sam. 16 nov. 2002, 16:13
holli i can never really understand why people get obses... sam. 16 nov. 2002, 18:22
lepetitmartien Just a quick word to tell again that tis forum is ... sam. 16 nov. 2002, 19:42
holli hey, a. yes I did start another thread concernin... dim. 17 nov. 2002, 19:07
Teiwaz Now there's a man who knows his salt from his ... dim. 17 nov. 2002, 23:29
droltam Protools with Digi hardware sounds better than Cub... lun. 18 nov. 2002, 02:10
lepetitmartien For info, a smiley was missing in my post… correct... lun. 18 nov. 2002, 03:49
Tone [ I am an amateur who works with a home VST with ... lun. 18 nov. 2002, 08:01
Teiwaz In response to droltam's quote: "Protool... mar. 19 nov. 2002, 02:59
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