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Je trouve que ptools est devenue une solution completement Has-Been.
Aucune évolutivité... Je travail avec les environements digidesign en studio depuis plus de cinq ans... On en a marre de Ptools, surtout quand on voit Logic Audio...V5. On est sur une autre planète. Avant fallait renvoyer les musiciens chez eux qd il y avait un pb de progra ou alors ils étaient obliger de se ramener avec tout leur attirail, on ne respirait plus... Je n'évoque pas les formats et autres synchro... Mais Digidesign a mené une bonne politique commerciale à l'époque de Bruce (qui dénigrait steinberg au passage!!! au fond c'est avant tout un gros naze comme tout les vendeurs... si ils sont vendeurs c'est qu'il n'ont pas réussi...) et tout les stud avaient suivi (jusqu'à present d'ailleurs). C'est dur de convaincre qu'il est temps de passer à autres choses... Ok avant Logic n'était pas top au niveau de l'audio mais c'est fini... Je viens de finir un disque, j'ai utilisé pour la première fois logic en situation professionnelle... Gain de temps et sourire des musiciens; je n'était plus seul devant mon écran d'édition, il y avait enfin de la communication dans le stud sur ce sujet... Domage pour PTools il nous a bien servi qd même... |
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![]() SuperHero ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Groupe : Members Messages : 9,465 Inscrit : 04 nov. 01 Lieu : Paris - FR Membre no 2,244 ![]() |
Après quelques heures de repos, je vais essayer de répondre POUR LA DERNIERE FOIS... Après, ceux qui le souhaitent pourront se défouler sur mon dos...même pas mal...
Cher Akopian, ton dernier post ne fais que confirmer ce que j'ai déjà dit, tu ne lis pas les posts en entier et n'en retiens que ce qui arrange ton envie d'en découdre. Alors: QUOTE Peut-on aujourd'hui être indépendant et faire des productions de qualité sans passer par les gros studios ? Mister T affirme que non et moi j'affirme que oui. Que Mister T soit un professionnel je m'en fous. Je n'ai JAMAIS dit ça... J'ai dit que, dans la grande majorité des cas, ça se passait comme ça... Est ce que ça me plait?... Là n'est pas la question. J'énoncais un fait, pas une théorie personnelle... Tu te fous que je sois un professionnel?... En un sens tu as raison, je suis aussi du genre à ne pas prendre systématiquement ce genre d'arguments en considération. Ceci dit, d'une manière générale (pas en ce qui me concerne), méfie toi de ce genre de modes de pensée. Comme le dit si bien Celmo (qui a lui eu la bonne idée de ne pas rentrer dans cette polémique sans fond), c'est avec des modes de pensée comme ça qu'on finira par mettre de grands ingé son au chomage (je précise: je ne me METS PAS dans cette catégorie...DU TOUT... ) et qu'on tirera la qualité vers le bas. On peut tout faire à la maison?... qu'est ce qu'on va s'emmerder à bosser avec des sois disants pointures dans ces studios suréquipés?... Pas besoin... Moi je maintiens, je suis ravi de pouvoir faire des maquettes de très bonne qualité à la maison, mais si j'ai la chance de trouver un label qui a quelques sous à dépenser, je serais encore plus ravi de pouvoir reprendre tout ça avec un très bon ingé son et du matos bien meilleur que celui que j'ai pu m'offrir. QUOTE Ce que j'affirme c'est que pour le prix d'une grosse voiture on peut acheter un équipement audio (mais bonjour la galère) qui permet de réaliser un album d'une qualité professionnelle. Et donc être en quelque sorte indépendant. Maintenant il faut aussi de nombreuses connaissances en audio et en enregistrement et ça ne s'aquière pas du jour au lendemain, mais c'est possible… et c'est entre autre une des utilités de ce forum, apporter aux musiciens des connaissances indispensables à leur indépendance. Ton discours EST confus... tu parles maintenant du prix d'une "grosse"voiture... genre?... 100000Fr, 200000Fr?... Ta dernière intervention mentionnait un Mac et une carte à 3000 balles... Pour le prix de la grosse voiture (et pas celui de deux semi-remorque->gros studios), tu peux effectivement monter ce qu'on a nommé dans un premier temps des "Projects studios". Tout à fait d'accord. Un pote à moi a bossé sur l'avant dernier album des Rita M. et il est vrai qu'ils ont énormément préparé l'album sur leur matos perso (une 888 et Logic si mes souvenirs sont bons). Mais leur studio perso coûte effectivement autant qu'une grosse bagnole, pas le prix de Roller Blades comme tu le suggérait... Et ils ONT finalisé l'album dans un gros stud (les cons!!...). Je pourrais te donner d'autres exemples mais je sens que je vais avoir droit au "On s'en fout que tu connaisse machin ou machin!"... Quant à ce forum qui serait censé te permettre de devenir indépendant...Si tu entend par là devenir aussi compétent qu'un "véritable ingé son" (à nouveau, je ne parle pas de moi, mais des pointures du genre), alors NON ! Tu peux passer 22 H par jour sur ce forum et poser toutes les questions que tu veux, tu n'auras jamais le niveau. C'est une insulte à l'artisannat qu'est l'apprentissage (de longue haleine) de ce métier ou de celui d'ingé son Mastering. QUOTE Parceque la musique digne que sort les gros studios de Mister T, pour moi ne sort (pas tout heureusement) que de la musique préfabriquée et qui alimente les profits des multinationales du disques. Mister fait partie des gens qui sont plein d'apprio et qui n'ont d'autres arguments à avancer que des appriori et des vérités toutes faites ! Et t'appelle ça des arguments?!... C'est même pas le début d'une réflexion ça. Tout ou presque ce qui sort des gros studios est de la merde?... Donc (en vrac total): Bowie, Lou Reed, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Prince, Beck, Bjork, Booster,Soul Coughing (pas sur que tu connaisse), bref les milliers de disques qui sortent de ces studios et les artistes qui ont bossé dessus, confirmés ou débutant, tout ça c'est de la merde?!!?... Pour toi "Gros stud"= Celine Dion ou Britney Spears?... Entre autres hélas, mais pas QUE, heureusement...Loin, très loin de là. Je suis plein d'apprioris?... Je crois surtout que je me base sur ce que je vois quotidiennement...si ce que je vois ne te plait pas...j'y peux rien...facile de taper sur le messager, mais assez inutile... Je crois surtout que, pour ta part, tu avance bcp de choses sans avoir la moindre idée de ce qu'est la pratique réelle. L'idéalisme, c'est bien...mais faut pas que ça tourne à l'obscession ! Alors, pour finir (enfin...), oui il y a des disques qui se font sur du petit matériel mais ils restent rares et très marginaux. La plupart ne verront jamais la couleur d'un bac de disquaire et encore moins la tête d'un acheteur. Ca veut pas dire que c'est de la merde, juste que le "mythe" de l'auto production aussi efficace que de la vrai prod pour faire connaitre un artiste, j'en suis revenu depuis longtemps. Mais je suis sûrement plus vieux (et plus con donc) que toi . J'ai juste vu trop de potes (+ ou - talentueux) s'escrimer à auto produire leur album et se casser les dents. Bon bref, je m'excuse si tout ça n'est toujours qu'a priori et arguments non fondés pour toi. Je crois de toute façon que la cause est perdue et que toi, ainsi qu'EJAD, avez fait de moi leur bête noire et que rien de ce que je pourrais dire n'aura votre approbation (d'où ma grosse lassitude d'hier soir). C'est pas très grave, je m'en passerais ! PS aux autres: merci pour le soutien, mais perdez pas votre temps, cette gueguerre de cour de récré n'en vaut vraiment pas la peine. -------------------- |
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