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> Is Protools Hd Worth The Money?, upgrading, waiting or simply switching?
xfiles
posté jeu. 29 août 2002, 18:27
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Dear macmusicians.
As a long time reader, i would first like to thank all the macmusic staff for their great and profitable work. wink.gif

As a professional producer and songwriter, i've been using Digidesign products since their very beginning (my first digi was a SoundTools). I'm familiar with the idea of upgrading computer based solutions as the technology permanently evolves but I expect to get something out of it.

Therefore I am VERY disapointed with Digidesign's attitude towards their customers. It seems to be nowadays a generality for manufacturers (including Apple) to sell promises instead of true improvements as well as treating their customers of "walking wallets"...

I was planning to invest in a new Protools HD, for our main room, but the closer I look at it, the more i get the feeling that it is a very uncleaver choice. I really wonder if it's worth the money.

The truth is that nothing is EVER compatible between Digidesign products. The only solution for my studio to be up to date is:

1- Change ALL my digidesign hardware. This means upgrading for a very expensive price, all my processing cards (mix cube and 2 mix farms that i have bought only 10 month ago).

2- Throw out my 4 TDM SampleCell cards (knowing that there is nothing to replace them exept Soft-SampleCell which will never give me the 64 stereo voices needed for emulating symphonics with Miroslav collection for exemple). What an improvment...

3- I will also have to change my brand new USD as well as my three 888 interfaces. (I know I can use them if I buy 3 new Digi interfaces just to connect my old ones). Wow !!! Great deal !!!

4- Most plug-ins (ie TC) are still NOT compatible with HD systems... Anyway, I know I'll have to PAY expensive updates JUST to stay compatible. Who cares, i'm rich!?

5- Major sequencers including my favorite (Logic Audio) don't currently support ProTools HD.
I guess i will have to do with the ridiculous MIDI features of PT 5.

6- I was expecting Digidesign (the big leader) to announce an OS X version of their softwares but they simply let their competitors do it... Knowing (as Steeve Jobs announced it) that the new Mac product line will only support OS X by January, How much $$$ will I have to spend again to upgrade my henceforth costly Digi set up (Plugs and why not hardware again?)

7- BTW Thanks for strongly advising me to buy a very expensive Geronimo 2000 video card that will never be supported by OS X according to Appian themselves.

8- I've heard of big problems with the new Digidesign sync interface.

9- Best of all, I have been told that Digidesign may change their approach and favorise their development on PC's. I guess I will just have to upgrade again...

10- Does anyone at Digidesign care about their customers desesperatly waiting for a simple and efficient way to "direct connect" the growing collection of the amazing VST instruments.

All theses points lead me to reconsider my next investments. Considering it is nowaday easy to find mix farms at an affordable price and that ProTools mix systems are rock solid, I would suggest any "Digidesign shareholder" to wait and see...

Meanwhile I will certainly buy a new G4 just to experiment alternative solutions. The main problems with theses new compititors is that they are good looking, they offer great possibilities, they support many popular standarts and are a hell of a lot cheaper.


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phil from NY
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Stuartpa
posté mer. 4 sept. 2002, 05:18
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How the hell do you live if you everything for free.

I do have to agree with you on the subject of Digi, when yo uthink of who is really behind them it is a bit scary (DIGI owned by Avid owned by ****oft owned by UNOHU the biggest money grabber of all and probably one of the prime reasons we are not further ahead today than we are.

Yu[ Iuse DIGI hardware but I use Logic and will be using Performer as soon as they are compatible. Most of the Plugins and add ons are not DIGI just a couple and I would hate to be stuck using Pro Tools for composition, thank you Logic for saving my Butt there.

But to answer the original question I still think that Pro Tools HD is the way to go. Maybe when I get the new Dual 1.2Ghz Mac in I may change my mind but I will wait for that one.

As for the Rant, you should hear me whenver DIGI sends me something that is not HD compatible and I have to wait another 3 weeks for them to sort the **** out. There is no way I am paying $2000 or more for their Tech support. I have talked with some of the guys from the original DIGI they were good guys then, but they said they quit because DIGI was getting too corporate. SO mate Rant away its nice to hear an opinion once in a while
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- xfiles   Is Protools Hd Worth The Money?   jeu. 29 août 2002, 18:27
- - Synthetic   I totally agree with you about Digidesign business...   jeu. 29 août 2002, 19:51
- - JackC   Hi Phil, I sympatise completely! I bought a M...   jeu. 29 août 2002, 20:01
- - prutulz   i totally agree with you phil. Except for people w...   ven. 30 août 2002, 13:10
- - DANO10   Ah men to all of the above. I switched to DP3 last...   ven. 30 août 2002, 14:43
- - tao067   I work as an engineer at Spark in Emeryville where...   ven. 30 août 2002, 17:09
- - bixpender   the HD update besides updating the quality is also...   sam. 31 août 2002, 05:16
- - theB94   I work at a well known studio in Los Angeles and m...   sam. 31 août 2002, 09:51
- - theB94   By the way, the first client that came in the stud...   sam. 31 août 2002, 09:54
- - prutulz   QUOTE (theB94 @ Aug 31 2002, 10:54)By the way...   dim. 1 sept. 2002, 02:43
- - damann   i should mention that upgrading to "hd" ...   dim. 1 sept. 2002, 03:13
- - Synthetik   My two cents, The only reason I would upgrade f...   lun. 2 sept. 2002, 03:33
- - Stuartpa   I have to agree that Digi is definitely in for the...   lun. 2 sept. 2002, 23:23
- - damann   hi stuartpa! here at macmusic everybody does w...   mer. 4 sept. 2002, 01:06
- - damann   cheers dude! i know some stuff about the m1#r0...   mer. 4 sept. 2002, 09:58
- - Stuartpa   HI Dman, so Rocket is yet another method used to s...   mer. 4 sept. 2002, 17:48
- - steeveaudio99   QUOTE (xfiles @ Aug 29 2002, 17:27)All theses...   ven. 27 sept. 2002, 17:44
- - III777III   EVERYONE that has been reading this post, would yo...   mar. 1 oct. 2002, 07:00
- - Teiwaz   Hi, this is my first posting. I'm a mate of Da...   mer. 30 oct. 2002, 10:43
- - Teiwaz   A few more observations to clear my head on this m...   mer. 30 oct. 2002, 11:23


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