Banks In Logic Options

[TalonFFL3]

i cant setup new banks in logic and it forces me to always use general midi
whats with this?

[TalonFFL3]

oh yeah and im using the regular 4 bank triton patch with oms names

[formatj]

You need to open the Environment and add a new Multi Instrument.
You then have to assign the output of this instrument so that it matches your MIDI out on your interface.
You can assign names to multi instruments but not single instruments.
You should also read the manual, it explains how to do this.

[TalonFFL3]

i read the manual and it said stuff about controllers and initializing new banks, all of which i tried to of no avail
oms names seems to do absolutely nothing as well

[TalonFFL3]

ok, your instructions cant be followed in logic, seem to talk about something in oms, are not discussed in any manual, and generally just arent helpful, sorry

[formatj]

What version of Logic are you using?
Have you set up OMS correctly?

If you are on MicroLogic you only have choice of GM names

For Logic Platinum 5.1.3
You need to go to Options>Settings>OMS Preferences>Output Mapping
Assign outputs so they match OMS settings
Do the same for Input Mapping.

Create a new Multi Instrument in the environment
assign its output to its respective OMS output in the parameter box on the left side of the environment.

You really need to give me more info about your set-up if you need more help.

[TalonFFL3]

but this doesnt let me switch between different banks

it still only uses general midi, no matter what trick i pull

if only there was a good sequencing program that didnt cost obscene amounts of money...

[TalonFFL3]

o yeah tech stuff

Korg Triton Le 1.0.2 OS
FastLane USB Midi Interface 2x2
Logic Audio Gold about to be updated to 4.8.1 but right now 4.6.2
OMS 2.3.8 (With OMS Names specifying banks and a correct Studio Setup)
Mac G4 Cube

Random Stuff
2 midi cables
headphones
usb hub (which is what the key and interface are connected to)

cant think of anything else right now

[TalonFFL3]

youre talkin about environments

i made a jpeg collage of the 3 that had stuff in them

find it here:
http://terranigmarpg.virtualave.net/macmus...sic/collage.jpg

still dont see what that has to do with changing banks

[formatj]

Thanks for the .jpg, makes explaining things a little easier.
First Make sure your Triton is set up to receive bank change messages, see korg manual for this.

Now in logic; the Korg Triton LE "Multi Instrument appears to be set-up correctly with OMS. I'm assuming your OMS settings are correct.
Now in the environment double click on the icon on top of the Korg Triton LE Multi Instrument (looks like the end of a MIDI cable).
This will bring up a list for the first bank of 128 programs/patches.
You can double click on any patch name in this window to change it so it corresponds to your synth.
You will notice on the top right of this window two boxes beneath "short device name" a box defining bank change messages. You can click select these to change definitions.
As there is no standard for bank change message within the wonderful world of MIDI, Logic have provided us with a few common bank change definitions and also allows us to create our own ones.
Try changing to some of the top few bank change definitions and see if they work with your triton.
From what I have read about the Triton LE I think you can set up the bank change message to be "Custom Bank Messages".
Now in the environment window choose "Options>Define custom bank messages".
Now change items in this list to read:
Bank 0 (a) Control 0 0 Bank MSB
Bank 0 (a) Control 32 0 Bank LSB
Bank 1 (a) Control 0 0 Bank MSB
Bank 1 (a) Control 32 1 Bank LSB
Bank 2 (a) Control 0 0 Bank MSB
Bank 2 (a) Control 32 2 Bank LSB
Bank 3 (a) Control 0 0 Bank MSB
Bank 3 (a) Control 32 3 Bank LSB

Now close this window and go to the "arrange" window in Logic.
Select a track and assign the Korg Triton LE channel 1 to that track.
On the left side of the page you will see a parameter box with
Port, Cha, Prg, Vol, Pan etc..
Make sure Prg box is checked.
Up the top of this box will be the name Korg Triton LE 1.
Click on this and your patch list window with first bank should appear.
Click on the names and check that the Korg is changing its patches (don't worry about the names not matching yet).
Now try changing banks; Click and hold Bank 0 above patch names and change to bank 1 and see if the korg changes banks.
If this works what you need to do now is to double click on all the names
of the patches and type in the name that corresponds on the Triton (all 4 banks of 128!)
Another solution is to go to http://www.swiftkick.com/
Click on "Logic" (near top of page), on the next page click on "Go" next to "Logic Users colection". Click on "Go" next to "Synth Editors".
Download the Triton.lso or TritonTM.lso and import this file into logic.
If the patch names are the same as the LE it will save you having to type all the names yourself.
When you import the .lso highlight the Multi Instrument icon for the triton and copy it. Then go to your autoload song and paste the instrument in your environment. Assign its output to OMS (Korg Triton LE).
Save your autoload song.

Hope this all makes sense.
Matt

[TalonFFL3]

cant believe you wrote all that and i have to tell you it didnt work

i did download that environ from swiftkick sometime yesterday tho and it does recognize that there are different banks but it doesnt switch, they stay stuck at gm

this little note was included with the environ tho:

"This update now allows us to select programs within the triton then logic updates.
One catch is, Logic does not change the bank, assume its a flaw in logic??"

so i think that confirms it: logic is simply awful

o well, my money went down the drain

[formatj]

I think the "little note" refers to the fact that if you change a program in the triton logic will update so that logic has the same name as what the triton has. If however you change the bank in the triton, it won't update the names to the next bank in logic.
If logic can't change the banks of the triton it is because you either don't have the triton set up to receive bank/program change messages (are you sure you have this set correctly?, it is usually a feature in synths that you can turn on and off) or you still haven't set up logic or OMS correctly.

I guarantee that if logic can't change the banks of the triton then no other program will.

You state that the sounds stay stuck in GM. are the programs/patches changing?
What happens if you manually change the triton to a non GM bank and then change the programs in Logic?
Are you sure you have the Triton instrument you have created in your environment selected as your instrument in Logic's arrange Window?

Once you get over the environment set-up hurdle in Logic it all becomes easier, don't give up!

[formatj]

Are the names for the triton.lso from swiftkick.com the same as the patch/program names in your triton LE banks?

Also, I have a friend with a triton rack. I will ask him if he has bank changes working from logic.

[TalonFFL3]

the names are different but i dont care about names, i just want it to work even tho i bet it wont

"You state that the sounds stay stuck in GM. are the programs/patches changing?"

dont think so

"What happens if you manually change the triton to a non GM bank and then change the programs in Logic?"

i cant get into a non gm bank on the triton le, it siwtches back to gm because of the midi communication or whatever from logic

"Are you sure you have the Triton instrument you have created in your environment selected as your instrument in Logic's arrange Window?"

yeah, thats when i see different banks and program names, even tho all of them register with the triton as gm

maybe its oms, ill put up some screens of that tomorrow

[TalonFFL3]

couple oms stuff

http://terranigmarpg.virtualave.net/macmusic/oms.jpg

[formatj]

With your OMS set-up
For starters delete the item Port 1 (the keyboard with a question mark)
Also delete Quicktime music.
You can also delete Studio pgm chg.

Also for the MIDI device info for the Korg Triton LE uncheck the boxes Receives and Sends MIDI time code.
You can if you want check boxes beneath for receives MIDI beat clock if the triton receives it.

Did you also check to see if the triton is set up to receive bank/program change messages?

Can you take a screen shot of your arrange window in Logic so I can see the selected track with the Triton chosen and all the parameter boxes on the left of the screen.
We'll get there eventually!

[TalonFFL3]

if i kill the triton port wont all my midi device info go down the drain with it?
or can i set that up on the other port 1?

[formatj]

The picture of your OMS set-up shows The Korg Triton LE and below it are two keyboards with port 1 and port 2 next to them.
Delete the keyboard with port 1 next to it. You only need the Korg Keyboard above it which is also connected to port 1 of your MIDI interface.
Don't delete the Korg Triton LE keyboard.

[TalonFFL3]

yeah when i saw the setup i realized what you were talking about
ill have that screen of the arrange window up soon, but i dont see what that will do, because it is switching between the banks in the program and having different sound names, just not on the triton le

[TalonFFL3]

next in the exciting series of logic pictures, the arrange window!

http://terranigmarpg.virtualave.net/macmus...sic/arrange.jpg

i still dont feel like ive accomplished anything yet tho

[formatj]

That looks fine!

I was hoping to see something wrong on this page.

OK. Next let's test MIDI.

If you press record in Logic and play your keyboard are you recording notes to a sequnce in the Arrange Window?
If yes, when you play back the sequence you have recorded is your Triton playing back those notes?
If yes, when you change patches within a bank e.g. with picture you just posted changing from "Techno Phone" to "Warm E.Grand" does the sequence play back with a different sound?

Also you still haven't told me whether you have checked the settings on the Triton. Is it set to receive Bank changes and Patch/Program Changes?

[TalonFFL3]

you already know the answers to those above questions, so ill deal with the bottom one

the manual was extremely cryptic about it, but i think it wanted each channel set to "ex2" instead of a "internal/external" and the two numbers beneath it to "000" and "032"

today im gonna try setting it to pure internal so i can just change programs on the triton le and not let logic screw me up